Public sentiment on the Iran-China ballistic missile deal is mixed, with emotions ranging from support for Iran's right to self-defense to concerns over geopolitical tensions and global security threats. Supporters view the deal as a strategic move to counterbalance Western influence and applaud Iran's defense sovereignty. Critics express fear over escalating military conflicts, highlight perceived Western double standards, and express distrust in the motivations of Iran and China. Skepticism towards international media narratives and speculation on the deal's broader security implications are notable. Overall, the dialogue reflects a complex interplay of geopolitical, strategic, and emotional dimensions.

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Today I learnt there was an American CSIS as well as a Canadian CSIS

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Vegetable_Zucchini12

Given the muscle flexing that Iran does, the missile catalogue seems ordinary.

Fuzzy-Account-3774

Iran has set its range to 2000 km or 2500 km on purpose. They don't want to be able to hit Berlin, Paris and London since that would make us Europeans uneasy. The only deterrence Iran really needs is being able to destroy Israel which is it capable of. Therefore, Iran is safe. At least, that is the strategic thinking behind this.

That circle 8 is not 2500 Km, which units are these maps using? Looks like this shitty map is made by an American who's struggling with SI units.
For reference, the straight distance from the left side of India to the extreme right side is around 2700 Km.

Worth noting Iran has presence in Syria and Lebanon, and who knows if any other places as well, so their reach is theoretically at least much bigger, I just hope these missiles are just a flex and not actually nuclear war head missiles

Confident-alien-7291

Its not the rocket its what is on it 

In the field, this is how it works: the good guys, chase the bad guys. And they don't wear black hats. They are, however, all alike: they demand power, and respect, and they're willing to pay top dollar to get it. 

There are people out there who don't care  who don't give a damn about respect. People who believe the killing of innocent men and women is justified. For them it is about rage, frustration, hatred... they feel pain and they're determined to share it with the world.

 I'm not afraid of the country who wants ten nuclear weapons, 

I'm terrified of the man who only wants one

EntertainerMany2387

If the US tries to help Israel commit genocide, they're going to have a bad time.

Cat_City_Cool

MagicJava

Taliban is enough to conquer all of Iran, if America supports Taliban.

Wardagai

Thank you, Barack Obama, for your wise international policies.

theSearge

alexgalt

Let's say they got a million missiles in storage, where is the storage??

JadedagainNZ

curentley_jacking_of

Something happened to Germany's Northern West part on this map.

Milk_Effect

and here i though the bigger the better…guess #8 proved me wrong

himynameisSal

exqueezemenow

A few dozen or even hundreds of missiles is barely enough to disable a single airbase for like a week, unless Iran planning to commit thousands of missiles every week, it wont make a dent on anything.

Ballistic missiles without nuclear warhead are a waste of resources.

xaina222

US military is learning so much about missile interception these past 2 years!

RazzmatazzWeak2664

Where would Israel be today without America's military might to back them up

praqueviver

50% of the BM failed, not the entire attack.  
From what it seems the US took care of the majority of drones and a few BM and cruise missiles, while israel took care of the majority of BM and cruise missiles and a few drones.

Harel1200

jellobowlshifter

Are they counting the rocket boosters as "failed"? A ballistic missile failing will cause significant damage and we know a few of those that failed.

WeWantRain

The economics of this are concerning. I wonder how much this cost each side.

AaronNevileLongbotom

Perhaps extend the same help to Ukraine??

rasmusdf

The Iranians must've realised just how shit their weapons are. 

annadpk

I wonder how more advanced missiles would perform, not ones where half fail to even launch.

ConstantStatistician

Does israel fly planes over iraq? If they arnt authorized for the air space while the US is, then this is just geographic circumstance.

Sanguinor-Exemplar

Iran just ordered missile fuel from China,  enough for 800 ballistic missiles, per WSJ. Some of it’s going to proxies like the Houthis, who are *already* firing at Israel.

Israel says it won’t strike unless Trump signals diplomacy has failed, but they’re clearly prepping. Meanwhile, Iran keeps enriching uranium to 60% and rejecting U.S. proposals.

At this point, it’s obvious: Iran’s gearing up for long-term confrontation, and Israel’s just waiting for the green light.

kezguyfour

DocumentNo3571

China sent it with assembly instructions and one hexagon key.

jaspreetzing

Didn't Israel sell China F-16 blue prints at some point?

NecessaryViolenz

Iranian forklifts gonna have another opportunity to show how funny they can be.

RippingOne

What else can it make? This isn’t journalism, it’s fear mongering

colsta1777

Let’s hope Israel destroys the regime so that the people can live freely again and minorities, women and lhbt’s are no longer being hanged.

Personal-Agent7819

These missiles are likely going to be given to terrorists, to russia, or be turned into nuclear weapons.

Someone needs to make it clear to china this kind of sale is not acceptable.

The_Frostweaver

Nothing to see here because no one will sanction China. China gives Iran missiles, supports the Russian war machine, prepares to invade peceful democratic Taiwan, etc.

LAUGHABLE

EmotionFriendly1096

They bought aluminium tubes. Do I need to tell you what you can do with an aluminium tube?

shaun1330

China is a sponsor of terrorism and Islamic extremism.  China should be boycotted and heavily sanctioned.

The-M0untain

Lmao and? Every nation should beef up their military power today.

WealthStateOfMind

dongkey1001

randomnogeneratorz

Distance from Iran to Israel: ~1000 km

Distance from the PRC to Taiwan: 130 km

WulfTheSaxon

A mid tier economy with medicore tech,  building ballistics with 50% duds had ~20% penetration rate for missiles that didn't fail to launch when attacking the densest missile defense network in the world with days of warning and 1000km of distance to intercept. Like does a stacked carrier group with 5-6 DDGs and defense perimeter the size of Israel have as much anti-missile defense as whole of Israel +co? I think PRC weaponeers are adjusting their salvos downwards if anything.

dirtyid

The thing is Taiwan has nowhere near the air defense coverage that Israel does. A couple batteries of PAC3 and TKIII don't make a comprehensive shield against attack, especially because Taiwan is far closer and also has to worry about manned aircraft. 

AmericanNewt8

Both in ukraine and now Iran, people are determined to learn lessons about Taiwan. But China isn't that country. The millitary isn't underfunded or massively undertrained. Pilots do their hours. The red team wins in war games sometimes. The missles actually work.

I don't know to what extent China has been underestimating US capabilities, but in that recent major thinktank wargame in the US they assumed an insanely low hit rate for Chinese ASMs and still lost two carriers. It can work both ways.

WhoDisagrees

"China would likely look at the incident to work out how it could get past the technology and the alliance that foiled the attack." 

They foiled the drone attack by getting a week to prepare then had 9 hours to intercept the slow ass drones over uncontested airspace. 

The 120 or so ballistic missiles is more impressive but still 50% failed due to technical error and Israel have one of the best missile defense in the world and got helped by several destroyers pre positioned of the coast. Still a few got through.

All in all the defense worked as expected and i do not think it have any relevance to a Taiwan scenario.

Ok-Lead3599

This article is fueled by wishful thinking.

I guess Iran's and Chinese's militaries are totally comparable both in terms of sophistication and quantity. And even then, it would still not be a good comparison.

Pklnt

iHaveSeoul

Chinas drones and missiles operate in a different league compared to Irans. It actually has a functioning Air Force.

Taiwan is not Israel, and it took five countries combined to blunt Irans attack - and they still hit the targets they wanted to hit. It also cost the US roughly $1 billion to ward off drones and missiles that collectively are worth maybe $2-3 million.

In a fast war, the US wins. But in a war of attrition, China can more than hold its own. Its manufacturing base is larger, its nuclear armed, cans its logistical tail is a fraction of the size of the US.

Top_Pie8678

This is comparing apples to oranges. A well-telegraphed attack with slow drones over a vast distance, intended as retaliation for an attack on an embassy vs. what will likely be a massive attack with fast, modern missiles, well-coordinated, and likely the opening shots to a huge international conflict. And all that across a strait.

I don’t know. I feel like the interception rates were expected or even a little worse than expected. The cruise missiles and suicide drones were obviously all going to be intercepted given the several hours flight time. For the ballistic missiles, half didn’t even manage to reach Israel from malfunctions and of those that did, at least 9 hit airbases. When you consider that it’s likely several ballistic missiles didn’t hit anything at all, given the in flight failure rate, at least 25% probably got through. This is in addition to the fact that Israel and the US got hours of warning from the suicide drones.

eassd

Irans attack was highly telegraphed and really mostly a symbolic attack so they can look like they are being tough on Israel to their population but in reality it sounds like there was a lot of back channel warnings and they announced it with plenty of time so defence could be prepared. They don't really want an outright war with Israel or the US. People acting like it was the start of WW3 but really it's actually both sides de-escalating in their own ways.

If China is going to go for it against Taiwan they are not going to give them a few days notice to prepare and allow the US and allies to also preposition and prepare assets ready for defence. Although even if they did, they probably have enough cruise missiles, drones and even old converted drone aircraft that they could send over to completely exhaust the defensive missile magazines before even sending in anything manned.

"Report says" is just an opinion from someone from the u.s Taiwan business council. There is nothing credible about this report.

widdowbanes

Even if China launches only low tech kamikaze drones, and each one can be easily intercepted. Can the rest of the world produce air defense missiles faster than China produces cheap drones? The quality of air defense missiles is irrelevant when the quantity decreases to 0.

Accomplished_Mall329

Iran's attack was actually very successful. The cost of intercepting those drones was over $1B. China's equivalent of the Shahed-136 is the CH-806 which cost 20k CNY = $2800 each. The missiles used to intercept those drones cost $1M each.

Israel/US actually spend an average of $3M for each drone/missile they intercepted. They probably launched at least 2x missiles per drone.

jz187

No, it is Taiwan and the US that need to rethink the ability of subsonic cruise missiles to get past a multilayered defense on high alert.

Pluto_coc

Doesn't China already have 076 on the roadmap?

chem-chef

It's just over 300 gadgets, China can easily add a zero after it, and if that's not enough we can add another zero.

Lianzuoshou

This whole thread: "Nuh-uh, the PLA could so too level Taiwan with drones, which is why they should be afraid because mother China loves them!"?

InvertedParallax

With a fraction of their current budget, they can easily launch 100-1000 drones per hour for 30 days straight, if they want to overwhelm the AD of a 200km target.

fookingshrimps

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